Someone needs to read some history books if this is what they believe.
Hell, Grapes of Wrath might be a good start to learn some of America’s wonderful history dealing with such things. Also you can learn about how out west became what it is.
That said climate crisis is 100 real and we are fucked, just don’t act like we are fine before.
Fire is a natural ecosystem process in the west. While climate is a major problem for fire and other issues, forestanagement policies and the tendency towards building expensive communities near forests are really what has caused such destructive fires. Reversing climate change isn’t what is going to stop the destruction. Appropriate forest management and appropriate community planning and home construction will do that.
I think another name for this is called “shifting baselines”. A good example for this is how the cod fishing industry in New England practically decimated the local ecosystems. In the past the shorelines had abundant amounts fish but because of overfishing those populations plummeted. Now people have to go further out to the ocean to catch fish that are much smaller.
I remember there being hundereds of moths and butterflies if you walked through a field/prarie and grasshoppers always along the side of the road. Now there arent.
When I was little, the Great Salt Lake flooded. FLOODED. On the news, Salt Lake turned the main boulevard into a river to channel the out-of-control meltwater.
In my lifetime, the Great Salt Lake is drying up. I am watching it.
Spending winter break with my grandma up near Mt Shasta (Northern CA) in the 70s there would reliably be 1-2ft of snow during the visit. I’d hear comments about how the snow used to get up to 5-6ft. I’m sure they still get some snow in the winter, but this image of Shasta from this past summer shocked and depressed me: [https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2021-09-08/mt-shasta-snow-vanished-replaced-by-mudflows](https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2021-09-08/mt-shasta-snow-vanished-replaced-by-mudflows)
Wildfires are a natural part of forested ecosystems. Some trees need it to thrive. Boomer granny is remembering the 50 years California fought every tiny fire in a (now admittedly) failed policy that ended up causing huge, uncontrollably devastating fires, instead of smaller, natural ones. We also didn’t suck the rivers dry to grow almonds in the desert. Listening to a Boomer opine on the past is like listening to a toddler explain something.
It was like 68 degrees for the majority of December this year, in the Northeast US and all anyone I know was talking about was how wonderful it was. It’s not wonderful, it’s creepy and foreboding!
What a terribly misinformed tweet. Is that a teenager trying to cosplay as someone older? Or did this old lady get stuck in the house 24/7 and wasn’t allowed to read a newspaper?
Probably should pump the brakes here. Yes climate change is real. It is worth noting that California as a whole was settled in a historically wet period. California being dry, drier, and subsequent natural fires are the historical norm. Fires because of gender announcements and poorly maintained electrical infrastructure is not the norm.
We shouldn’t be farming, especially water intensive crop, in California.
This is literally what climate scientists warned us about 30? 40? years ago. Now it’s just “weather” but thankfully some countries will lower some emissions sometime in the future, that’ll do it!!
I’m 32. I’m not that old and even I have seen the climate change right before my eyes. Is new England more susceptible to the blatant changes? I swear I have watched spring and fall disappear. Also, winter here is not snowy anymore? It’s weird.
There’s nothing like holding your 2 year old child and all those thoughts of how joyful it is to have him in your life turn to dread and guilt that he will inherit a dead planet and a lifetime of struggle and you can’t save him from it.
We actually *did* have a fire season. We stopped letting these fires burn in the name of residential development. Native Americans have been begging the state of California to do control burns for decades now.
Yea there didn’t used to be fire season because naturally they would burn every couple years. Clearing undergrowth and flammable materials and opening the soil to great nutrients. Now we can have fires because of homes, camps etc. so we put them out and it grows out of control… the climate is always changing, and always has. The earth has more greenery on it than it has in the last 1000 years… the world won’t end because of this… you think to highly of the human race to affect something much larger than us…
I mean, I’m a huge eco nut and a firm believer that we have done irreparable damage to earth..but this is a bad take. There are multi year droughts..that’s a thing in nature. So are fires, which are especially bad from forest mismanagement through the years. Like, the climate does go through periods of heating and cooling..
We absolutely should be concerned but not because of what grandma said. These takes are the ones assholes in the science community can easily defend and make an excellent counter-argument for.
A better one is rising sea levels, the on-going mass extinction and the excessive rising toxicity of our fresh water and oceans.
Didn’t used to have instagram influencers, loli porn or memes about Chuck Norris, but here we are.
Someone needs to read some history books if this is what they believe.
Hell, Grapes of Wrath might be a good start to learn some of America’s wonderful history dealing with such things. Also you can learn about how out west became what it is.
That said climate crisis is 100 real and we are fucked, just don’t act like we are fine before.
I was watching a series on YouTube the other day of a guy hiking and Skiing mountains in North America and he said something that really struck me,
“We are at the time now where we will see last descents”
All the mountains have been climbed, but as the world gets warmer and we get less snow, those mountains will become barren.
Fire is a natural ecosystem process in the west. While climate is a major problem for fire and other issues, forestanagement policies and the tendency towards building expensive communities near forests are really what has caused such destructive fires. Reversing climate change isn’t what is going to stop the destruction. Appropriate forest management and appropriate community planning and home construction will do that.
The GAYS must be at it AGAIN
Unfortunately it’s become normal because people did not listen to the warnings about the climate crisis.
California and the west coast always had a fire season…
I think another name for this is called “shifting baselines”. A good example for this is how the cod fishing industry in New England practically decimated the local ecosystems. In the past the shorelines had abundant amounts fish but because of overfishing those populations plummeted. Now people have to go further out to the ocean to catch fish that are much smaller.
I remember there being hundereds of moths and butterflies if you walked through a field/prarie and grasshoppers always along the side of the road. Now there arent.
When I was little, the Great Salt Lake flooded. FLOODED. On the news, Salt Lake turned the main boulevard into a river to channel the out-of-control meltwater.
In my lifetime, the Great Salt Lake is drying up. I am watching it.
“but but but It snowed in Egypt…”
Yes and you know that’s a problem right? Like it shouldn’t snow in Egypt…
“BuT ItS CaLlEd GloBaL Warming”
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Spending winter break with my grandma up near Mt Shasta (Northern CA) in the 70s there would reliably be 1-2ft of snow during the visit. I’d hear comments about how the snow used to get up to 5-6ft. I’m sure they still get some snow in the winter, but this image of Shasta from this past summer shocked and depressed me: [https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2021-09-08/mt-shasta-snow-vanished-replaced-by-mudflows](https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2021-09-08/mt-shasta-snow-vanished-replaced-by-mudflows)
Wildfires are a natural part of forested ecosystems. Some trees need it to thrive. Boomer granny is remembering the 50 years California fought every tiny fire in a (now admittedly) failed policy that ended up causing huge, uncontrollably devastating fires, instead of smaller, natural ones.
We also didn’t suck the rivers dry to grow almonds in the desert.
Listening to a Boomer opine on the past is like listening to a toddler explain something.
It was like 68 degrees for the majority of December this year, in the Northeast US and all anyone I know was talking about was how wonderful it was. It’s not wonderful, it’s creepy and foreboding!
What a terribly misinformed tweet. Is that a teenager trying to cosplay as someone older? Or did this old lady get stuck in the house 24/7 and wasn’t allowed to read a newspaper?
Nor did we have 100 year disaster events every couple of years either but yet people are still buy ocean front property🤪🤬😂
I think we should sit and assess first though to be sure.
It’s a bit sad that my favorite season has become winter, on the simple fact that it means I can see the clear blue sky for most of it.
I grew up in Southern California and we’ve called late summer/early fall “fire season” for as long as I can remember.
Probably should pump the brakes here. Yes climate change is real. It is worth noting that California as a whole was settled in a historically wet period. California being dry, drier, and subsequent natural fires are the historical norm. Fires because of gender announcements and poorly maintained electrical infrastructure is not the norm.
We shouldn’t be farming, especially water intensive crop, in California.
https://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=13274
This is literally what climate scientists warned us about 30? 40? years ago. Now it’s just “weather” but thankfully some countries will lower some emissions sometime in the future, that’ll do it!!
I’m 32. I’m not that old and even I have seen the climate change right before my eyes. Is new England more susceptible to the blatant changes? I swear I have watched spring and fall disappear. Also, winter here is not snowy anymore? It’s weird.
There’s nothing like holding your 2 year old child and all those thoughts of how joyful it is to have him in your life turn to dread and guilt that he will inherit a dead planet and a lifetime of struggle and you can’t save him from it.
We actually *did* have a fire season. We stopped letting these fires burn in the name of residential development. Native Americans have been begging the state of California to do control burns for decades now.
I mean you could definitely say there were fire seasons in the early 1900s
Yea there didn’t used to be fire season because naturally they would burn every couple years. Clearing undergrowth and flammable materials and opening the soil to great nutrients. Now we can have fires because of homes, camps etc. so we put them out and it grows out of control… the climate is always changing, and always has. The earth has more greenery on it than it has in the last 1000 years… the world won’t end because of this… you think to highly of the human race to affect something much larger than us…
I mean, I’m a huge eco nut and a firm believer that we have done irreparable damage to earth..but this is a bad take. There are multi year droughts..that’s a thing in nature. So are fires, which are especially bad from forest mismanagement through the years. Like, the climate does go through periods of heating and cooling..
We absolutely should be concerned but not because of what grandma said. These takes are the ones assholes in the science community can easily defend and make an excellent counter-argument for.
A better one is rising sea levels, the on-going mass extinction and the excessive rising toxicity of our fresh water and oceans.